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Lengthy-Time period Monetary Wellness for Your Household With Michael Stevens

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Katie: Good day, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, my new private care line. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. This episode deviates from the bodily facets of well being, however into one other space that can be crucial, and that’s monetary wellness and long-term monetary wellbeing as a result of statistically, monetary struggles are a significant supply of stress for many people and likewise a significant supply of relationship stress for a lot of {couples}. I feel this final yr has made that much more acute for lots of people. And I assumed it was vital to begin a dialog round this subject.

I’m right here with Michael Stevens who runs capitalwealth.com. And he’s been one in every of my factors of contact for determining a few of these methods myself. And I wished to share them with you guys right now. We go into from very primary stage issues like financial savings versus investing and how much methods to arrange for this after which additionally into some much less well-known, however tax useful methods that you should use for your loved ones, even that youngsters can typically use from a younger age that result in long-term wealth. He breaks down a few of his most used methods together with his shoppers and likewise offers some ideas for constructing a powerful basis for lifelong monetary well being together with your youngsters. Like I stated, positively a special subject, however I feel an important one, particularly proper now. So, with out additional ado, let’s be a part of Mike. Mike Stevens, welcome to the podcast.

Michael: Hey Katie, I’m excited to be right here, and thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to speak with you as a result of any of my longtime listeners know I cowl a complete lot of subjects associated to well being and wellness. And after we take a look at the statistics, it looks like funds are literally a significant supply of stress for lots of people. And I’ve talked about stress lots on right here as a result of it has a cascade impact into each space of our life. However I feel funds are a giant supply of stress. And this previous yr has compounded that even for lots of people, and particularly for lots of households. And you’re the finest skilled I do know within the space of monetary wellness. And I assumed it could be actually related and vital to, type of, delve into this space, particularly from the main focus of what we are able to do as households to organize and have higher monetary wellness in our every day lives. And in order that’s why I used to be so excited to deliver you on. I do know it is a huge subject and there’s a whole lot of totally different instructions we’re gonna go. However to begin us off broad, are you able to simply, type of, give us an summary of the work that you just do in relation to monetary wellness and preparedness?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And thanks a lot for having me on as a visitor. Katie, I do know that a whole lot of your listeners, such as you stated, are into the bodily facets of well being and wellness. However once more, like what you had been saying, the monetary side of well being and wellness is so vital. So, what we actually concentrate on at my agency, Capital Wealth Advisors, is giving folks peace of thoughts and readability with their funds. And I all the time inform people who we don’t work for Wall Avenue. We work for our shopper’s finest curiosity. And that’s actually vital. I’d say, at the beginning, as an advisor, you must be working with somebody who’s a fiduciary. And it’d be no totally different than going to a health care provider that doesn’t actually care about what’s occurring in your life versus somebody that, you already know, they’re invested in ensuring that you just succeed. So a whole lot of what we find yourself doing is issues from a complete standpoint to offer folks monetary peace and wellness of their life in order that they will benefit from the issues with household and buddies, and simply the objectives that they wanna obtain of their life.

Katie: Yeah, that’s so vital. What are a few of these issues that you just begin to have a look at? As a result of I do know from my very own, type of, journey during the last 15 years of being married and having youngsters, within the very starting, funds had been so tight that it was simply really like month-to-month survival to pay payments. And it took a mindset shift for me as, like, we began to have the ability to develop issues just a little bit to have the ability to be actually clever with these assets and work out put them in locations that will result in progress and safety over time. So what are a few of these elements that you just take a look at? Clearly, I’m positive persons are beginning in a whole lot of totally different locations. However what do you begin by ?

Michael: Completely. You understand, our core specialty is working with people who find themselves nearing retirement or in retirement, however we assist folks from each stage of the sport. And, you already know, sooner or later in my life, I used to be simply starting as properly too similar to you and your husband. And the actually vital factor for folks to understand is that it’s not as daunting as what it appears. And now, with the web and issues like YouTube and nice books, there’s a whole lot of actually good assets to make use of to have the ability to plan your monetary future. You understand, there’s that outdated Chinese language proverb that claims, “The most effective time to plant a tree was 20 years in the past. After which the second-best time is now.” So, the explanation why I’m sharing that with the listeners right here is as a result of I simply wanna encourage folks, don’t wait as a result of in the event you begin small, and simply maintain going and construct off that momentum, sooner or later, you’re gonna look again and go, “Wow, I’m so glad that I began. I had no concept I’d make that huge of a distinction.”

Katie: Completely. And that’s one other nice corollary with well being as properly is, you already know, like, any type of coaching or getting wholesome, one of the best time to begin is a extremely very long time in the past. The second-best time is true now. And people issues construct over time slowly that generally you don’t even discover, till sooner or later it’s a extremely profound change. And also you talked about working extra with folks as they get near retirement. And I do know I’ve seen statistics that it looks like because the generations have gone, persons are getting ready much less and fewer, not even simply saving much less and fewer from a financial perspective, however getting ready much less and fewer for that. And it virtually looks like what we used to consider as the concept of retirement has morphed as properly. Like, we don’t see folks usually as typically working for a similar firm and having simply retirement advantages that completely present for them as they become older. Is that what you’re discovering as properly?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And I feel a whole lot of it has to do with the best way our society is changing into. Beforehand, you already know, our grandparents, they weren’t into instantaneous gratification as a lot as we are actually with having the ability to scroll on Fb or Instagram and, type of, get an endorphin hit, simply from what we want proper now. You may watch, you already know, video on demand with Netflix., and so on. However the entire thing is, is that I’d inform folks that you just don’t wanna commerce your monetary peace of thoughts for being an impulsive purchaser. And what I imply by that’s that you want to be devoted and say, “Look, I’ve a aim that I wanna retire.” And truthfully, Katie, the earlier that somebody will get began on this, the higher it’s gonna be. It actually has a compound impact. Similar to you stated, on well being and wellness, the identical factor goes for monetary. When you can say, “I’m gonna be devoted and I’m gonna put apart X quantity of {dollars} a month, or hey, I’m not gonna be an impulsive purchaser and exit and purchase one thing instantly simply because I would like it,” you’re gonna discover that you just’re gonna save much more cash.

And whereas it’s, you already know, all the time enjoyable to maintain up with the Joneses, there is a component of stress that comes together with that. And, you already know, I’ve seen folks which can be a few of the most happiest folks of their life, they reside a really modest life-style, they usually get pleasure from their time with their household and buddies however they don’t have issues like debt hanging over them. And that’s actually anxious for lots of people. So, I’d simply counsel to anybody listening, in the event you haven’t already began, simply have a disciplined plan. And it doesn’t imply that you must reside on any, type of, price range the place you’re consuming simply rice and beans, however do issues like pay your self first. I’m additionally a giant proponent of charity as properly. So, taking a few of your cash that you just’re incomes and paying it ahead, I discover that helps you be extra blissful in life whenever you’re blessing the lives of different folks as a result of actually, that’s what cash is. Cash is a software, and you should use cash to amplify your self. And in the event you’re particular person, and also you give your time, and also you give cash, and also you’re disciplined, you’re gonna discover much more happiness in your life.

Katie: So what are a few of these particular issues that individuals can begin to find out about and begin to prioritize once they get to the purpose of getting, hopefully, money owed paid off, issues like that? Is there, like, a triage that you just work by with folks once they are available in and determining the highest priorities and the place these assets will be finest used?

Michael: Yeah, I’m actually glad that you just requested that query as a result of there’s about three issues that we take a look at for folks. One is charges. Charges matter. And I hope that each one the listeners listening to this may all the time bear in mind this analogy. However charges are like operating into the wind with a parachute on. It’s gonna actually sluggish you again. And if you consider it, when anybody goes all the way down to, you already know, like Las Vegas or one thing, you’ve got all these stunning casinos. Clearly, they’re constructed due to what folks have misplaced. Financially, these casinos are constructed up they usually’re actually fairly. The identical goes for Wall Avenue. You understand, Wall Avenue have these stunning ivory towers. You understand, whenever you stroll in, there’s, you already know, marble, and granite, and stuff in all places. That’s due to charges. So, we attempt to encourage folks simply to grasp first, what are the charges that they’re paying of their monetary facets of their funding life? And in the event you don’t know what your charges are, then attain out to your advisor. And in the event you don’t have an advisor, begin doing just a little little bit of analysis and determining what the charges are as a result of charges completely make a distinction.

The subsequent factor that I inform folks is taxes. And other people all the time take a look at me sideways after I speak about taxes. And right here’s the explanation why it’s so vital to grasp about taxes whenever you’re speaking about investments. My dad taught me early in life, it’s not how a lot you make, it’s how a lot you retain that counts. So, proper now, consider it or not, taxes are on sale. When you go all the best way again to 1913, that’s when taxes started in america. Taxes have gone actually, actually excessive earlier than. I’ll share with you a real story. Ronald Reagan, earlier than he was the president, he was an actor. Ronald Reagan would solely make about two motion pictures per yr. The explanation why he solely made two motion pictures per yr is he was contracted with the studios to make about $100,000 per film. So, on the time within the ’40s and ’50s within the State of California, when Ronald Reagan was making these motion pictures, he was in a 94% tax bracket on something that he would earn over $200,000. So for, you already know, widespread sense functions, he wouldn’t work something after these two motion pictures had been made and he would simply trip his horses on his ranch and pay his remaining taxes to the State of California.

So, once more, going again to that entire mindset of taxes being at an all-time low proper now, you already know, the highest tax bracket is 35%. And once more, whenever you return to what Ronald Reagan was paying when he was within the ’40s and ’50s on $200,000, which by the best way, was some huge cash again then. However $200,000, 94% tax bracket, ouch. So, taxes are on sale. So, you already know, what’s actually vital about this, and I do know that I’m in all probability throwing lots on the listeners abruptly, and hopefully, they’re taking notes, and going again and listening to this part once more as a result of that is type of an vital level, the federal deficit proper now, Katie, as we’re speaking in March, is $28 trillion. And to place that into perspective, in the event you return 1 trillion seconds in the past, that was 31,688 years in the past, 1 trillion seconds. The Nationwide deficit is $28 trillion and we’re good on the cusp of including one other $2 trillion stimulus bundle. Individuals must pay for that.

So, whenever you’re working and also you’re placing cash into tax-deferred accounts, like your 401(okay)s or 403(b)s, something the place you must pay taxes later in life, you may contemplate doing a Roth contribution. And that’s tax-free cash. So taxes are on sale. After which the final and I feel a very powerful factor, and we’ll dive extra into this just a little bit, however you want to have a written revenue plan. And cash is a type of issues between {couples} that there’s disagreements. And I misplaced my dad at an early age, and bless my dad’s coronary heart, he was a unbelievable man, he took care of taxes, investments, insurance coverage, every thing for my mother, and my two sisters, and myself. And after we misplaced my dad, tragically and unexpectedly when he was 49 years outdated, my mother had no clue the place to show. She didn’t know what to do. Now, had my mother had communicated with my dad they usually had a written plan of right here’s after we wanna retire, right here’s how a lot we have to save, and right here’s how a lot revenue we are able to take out of the retirement plan in order that if one in every of us will get sick sooner or later or each of us that we’re gonna be okay.

You understand, if I had been to be sitting on a aircraft proper now going to Hawaii, and the pilot comes on and he says, “You understand what? I’m excited, girls and gents, to fly you to Hawaii. It’s mild winds and 87 levels. And this aircraft has a 42% likelihood of success of creating it to Hawaii.” I’m not likely positive that I’d keep on that aircraft. So, going into your retirement years and never having an precise plan that’s stress-tested for the great and dangerous and understanding that that plan is gonna work out, that will really be a extremely dangerous factor. You don’t wanna hope and a prayer plan. You need an precise written revenue plan. So, these are, type of, the three issues to recap, is charges matter, taxes matter, and having an precise written revenue plan.

Katie: I’m glad you introduced that up about taxes. That had all the time been my hesitation with something that was tax-deferred of simply, like, if we take a look at historical past, are the percentages that taxes are going to go up or down? And up appears extra possible. And I feel Roths are an ideal possibility. For anyone who’s not aware of that, are you able to stroll us by what a Roth is and the way they work? As a result of I do know that additionally some folks aren’t capable of arrange a Roth.

Michael: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So you actually have buckets that the IRS simply determines you on the way you’re gonna be taxed on one thing. And, type of, the widespread buckets on the market, you’ve heard of an IRA and also you’ve heard of a 401(okay) and 403(b) probably, these are a tax-deferred bucket. And what which means is that whenever you go and also you see your CPA, and your CPA, bless their coronary heart, says, “Hey, you wanna get monetary savings in taxes this yr. Go forward and put cash into this 401(okay) or IRA, this tax-deferred bucket, and it’s gonna prevent cash.” Effectively, what lots of people don’t perceive, and it was myself included earlier than I acquired into the trade, is that doesn’t imply that you just’re not paying taxes on that cash. It simply implies that you’re deferring it to a later level sooner or later. And such as you stated, there’s a excessive likelihood of success that taxes are gonna go up sooner or later. In order that’s actually a short-term strategy, simply saying, “Hey, let’s commerce one thing for proper now that sooner or later may be much more.”

So, lots of people don’t understand that there’s one thing referred to as a Roth IRA. And in the event you’re working, your employer might have what’s referred to as a Roth 401(okay). And what which means is that you just’re eligible to place cash into this account. And there are guidelines round it. I’ll go over that in a single second. However there’s an account which you can put cash into the place you’ve already paid the tax. After which as soon as the cash goes into this Roth account or Roth 401(okay), it is going to develop and develop and develop and by no means be taxed ever once more sooner or later. So why does that matter? Effectively, once more, if we take a look at the nationwide deficit, a number of issues are gonna have to occur for the deficit to come back down. One, both the federal government’s gonna must spend much less. Yeah, proper. I doubt that’s gonna occur. Or two, what’s gonna occur is that they’re gonna attain into your tax-deferred account and say, “Hey, thanks a lot. We actually recognize you working laborious. We’re simply gonna improve taxes and take extra of your retirement cash in your tax-deferred aspect.” However after you have it into the Roth account, there are completely no taxes that may ever be taken out.

So, once more, that’s why I stated, taxes are on sale. And if you wish to purchase one thing, and you want to purchase one thing, and that merchandise is on sale, that in all probability is sensible at level to truly purchase it whereas they’re on sale. Katie, I do wanna point out, nearly generally folks aren’t conscious, even when they’re incomes an excessive amount of cash…Let me really again that up for one second, how a Roth IRA will work. And this isn’t a Roth 401(okay) however a Roth IRA is in the event you’re youthful than age 50, you’re allowed to place $6,000 per particular person, per yr right into a Roth IRA, that tax-free bucket. If you’re over the age of fifty, you’re allowed to do an additional $1,000 contribution catch-up. So that you and your partner might do $7,000 per particular person per yr. Nonetheless, something that’s good for the IRS, they usually restrict us. So, there are guidelines and also you wanna positively discuss to a CPA or an accountant and just remember to’re eligible.

However in the event you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, the IRS says, “Hey, sorry, you’re doing too properly in life. We’re not gonna allow you to put your cash into tax-free.” There are some automobiles on the aspect that in case your listeners wanna attain out, we might speak about however there are tax-free options. However going again to that Roth IRA, in the event you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, and you’ll’t contribute to a Roth IRA, and also you do have a tax-deferred account, you may be eligible to do what’s referred to as a Roth conversion. And that’s just a little identified factor that lots of people don’t understand is that in the event you say, “Hey, that’s me. I’ve put a whole lot of my cash right into a tax-deferred account, and I really feel like taxes may go up, how do I maintain extra of what’s mine?” Effectively, that you would really do some Roth conversions. And the draw back is, is you gotta pay some taxes to get it into the tax-free bucket. However, once more, like I discussed, taxes are on sale. So, each single particular person has their very own magic tax quantity. It’s a must to know the way a lot is acceptable so that you can convert.

Katie: Yeah, that’s…We had to do this as a result of we didn’t perceive all of this early on both. And so we ended up changing some issues right into a Roth. However I feel one other level right here that’s fascinating to speak about, I do know there’s gonna be complexities. And the reply is completely gonna be that individuals have to have private recommendation on this. However what we discovered in addition to there are methods to, as your youngsters become older, construction a few of these issues for them, particularly in relation to a Roth. When you personal a enterprise, as an example, or have sure forms of work preparations, they will contribute to a Roth as properly. I do know you already know this world higher. However are you able to, type of, give us that overview for these of us who’ve older youngsters who’re beginning to work?

Michael: Completely. So, one of many guidelines to have in a Roth IRA is you must have what’s referred to as earned revenue. And in case your partner works and also you don’t, and also you’re underneath the IRS high-risk threshold, then congratulations, you’re eligible to do a Roth IRA. Nonetheless, you already know, most of our kids who’re younger nonetheless that aren’t working a job, they’re not incomes, you already know, earned revenue, they wanna be capable to say…Excuse me, I ought to say that a whole lot of our shoppers, they wanna educate their youngsters in regards to the energy of compound curiosity and saving for retirement. So, we use some totally different various automobiles to Roth IRA. Personally, I exploit what’s referred to as an overfunded index common life coverage. And I do know that I’m giving your viewers a whole lot of, type of, in-depth info that may be just a little bit laborious to digest. And that’s okay as a result of this monetary stuff will be difficult, but it surely can be actually clear in the event you simply take your time.

Let me clarify to you why I exploit an overfunded index common life coverage. Whenever you’re utilizing a life insurance coverage coverage, and I’ve to emphasise this, not all life insurance coverage insurance policies are the identical. Life insurance coverage, they’re a type of investments that it might really be actually dangerous so that you can do if it’s not correctly structured or the flip aspect of the coin, if one thing is correctly structured, it may be completely superior. So that you all the time must just remember to’re working with a fiduciary and somebody that actually understands construction these correctly since you wouldn’t wanna do one thing after which discover out that it was the worst mistake potential to make.

However what will we do for our children as a result of they’re younger, I’ve an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 2-year-old, they’re not working a job. In order that they don’t have earned revenue. And my spouse and I actually wanna give our children a head begin in life and educate them about monetary wellness. So we’re contributing month-to-month to this insurance coverage account for them. And it’s not an enormous amount of cash and it doesn’t have to be an enormous amount of cash. However compounding curiosity makes a giant distinction. And whenever you get youngsters occurring this and beginning at an early age, that actually helps them perceive.

The entire thing in regards to the life insurance coverage is that it’s tax-free, similar to the Roth IRA. And, you already know, for me, I earn an excessive amount of that I can not contribute right into a Roth IRA. And as a enterprise proprietor, I perceive I wanna get as a lot of my taxes out of the best way as potential whereas they’re on sale. So, I personally use for part of my funding technique, this index common life coverage, the place I’m getting that cash right into a tax-free account and it doesn’t have any, type of, phase-outs or restrictions like a Roth IRA does. So the IRS says, “Okay. When you’re gonna do that, then we’ll will let you try this.” However once more, it’s just a little little bit of a fancy scenario however perceive that even in the event you don’t have earned revenue, or in the event you’re a enterprise proprietor and also you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, or just that you just simply wanna get my right into a tax-free various to a Roth IRA, there are alternatives for you.

Katie: Acquired it. That is sensible. And I do know it’s, like I stated, just a little bit extra complicated, seek the advice of your individual accountant, however for us, like, proudly owning sure companies and the youngsters capable of work for us at totally different instances in several methods, like, we’re very cautious to trace that. However for anyone who owns a enterprise, there are some methods you are able to do that. Simply be sure you observe the principles in case your youngsters…

Michael: Yeah, that’s the secret is observe the principles, discuss to an accountant or a CPA, however there are issues on the market that you are able to do. And also you don’t have to observe the plenty. As a result of a whole lot of instances, simply going just a little off the overwhelmed path and understanding that there are higher choices, and that they’re not generally mentioned as a result of they’re not big moneymakers, that’s gonna be higher for you versus for the advisor.

Katie: Acquired it. After which for my understanding, since it is a retirement automobile, there’s penalties in the event you wanna take it out early however there’s additionally I consider, like, some exceptions to that. And from my analysis as properly, like, generally it’s price doing in the event you’re capable of make investments by a Roth as a result of the penalty can generally be lower than, like, long-term capital positive factors, as an example. So, like, I’ve type of needed to weigh these issues. However are you able to give us an summary of that?

Michael: Certain. And are you referring on the Roth IRA or the life insurance coverage account?

Katie: Sorry, on the Roth IRA, after which I positively wanna go deeper on the life insurance coverage aspect.

Michael: Okay. Sounds good. So, on the Roth IRA, the IRS means that you can take cash out of your Roth IRA with out the tax and with out the penalty. Once more, discuss to a CPA and simply be sure that it’s best for you. However there are issues like monetary hardship, or in the event you’re utilizing the cash to go to high school, or for the primary time residence buy in your life, you would really take cash out of your Roth IRA sooner than 59-and-a-half and never incur any type of IRS penalty for doing that.

Katie: Acquired it. Okay. So now, stroll us by just a little bit extra element on…As a result of that is one thing else I’ve been exploring with you and one of many causes I wished to have you ever on right here is utilizing the life insurance coverage aspect, basically as an funding automobile, as properly and, type of, simply a few of the pointers that go together with that.

Michael: Sounds good. So, there’s a extremely good e book by Tony Robbins, and it’s referred to as “MONEY Grasp the Sport.” And it’s an enormous e book, by the best way, and a extremely pleasant learn too. And that’s the factor that I wanna simply, you already know, inform the listeners right here, don’t be intimidated by these things. Simply begin sluggish and begin studying. It’s like anything. However Tony does a extremely good job about writing the place it’s very easy to grasp. Nevertheless it’s I feel on, like, web page 439, he begins speaking about this. And Tony Robbins begins the e book or a chapter on the life insurance coverage by saying, “I used to be launched to this idea by a few of my wealthiest buddies.” Now, I feel that Tony Robbins might be a fairly rich man so when he says a few of his wealthiest buddies, there are tax methods. And that’s the one factor that, you already know, once more, folks have to understand is that the rich aren’t doing loopy issues like offshore financial institution accounts or some secret accounts the place they’re hiding cash. They’re really simply paying their taxes proper now as a result of whenever you return to realizing that taxes are on sale, you wanna get as a lot of your cash into tax-free automobiles because it is sensible for you. That’s precisely what rich persons are doing as properly.

So, how the life insurance coverage idea works, and once more, I all the time wanna encourage folks to only discuss to somebody who understands this idea rather well. However in the event you do a correctly structured life insurance coverage coverage for a part of your retirement plan, it may be probably the greatest choices that you just made. And right here’s why. One, whenever you put cash into the life insurance coverage coverage that I’m speaking about, the expansion is completely tax-free. And that’s a giant deal. We’ve already mentioned that. However the draw back to having a Roth IRA and pulling cash out previous to 59-and-a-half, such as you had been speaking about, Katie, is that you just’re gonna get a ten% early withdrawal penalty if it’s earlier than age 59-and-a-half. And that’s on the curiosity. Any cash that you just put right into a Roth IRA, you possibly can all the time take that precept out instantly with none type of penalty. It’s simply the curiosity that will incur a ten% penalty previous to 59-and-a-half.

However with life insurance coverage, there may be really no early withdrawal penalty. The way in which the insurance coverage firms, type of, get round this, is that they do what’s referred to as a mortgage. And for this reason I used to be saying to the listeners that life insurance coverage will be tweaked one of the best curiosity for the shopper or one of the best curiosity for the insurance coverage agent doing the coverage. You all the time need it to be in your aspect however what a whole lot of insurance coverage folks neglect to say, and I’m giving them the advantage of the doubt there, is that whenever you take cash out of a life insurance coverage account, they’re not all created equal. Some firms have what’s referred to as a mortgage provision or a mortgage charge, which implies that, yeah, you’re gonna get that cash out of the life insurance coverage completely tax-free similar to the Roth IRA, however in the event you don’t take it out with the fitting firm, then the unsuitable firm can cost you anyplace from 3% to eight% per yr mortgage curiosity in your cash.

There are a whole lot of actually good firms which have low rates of interest, like 0.5% or 1%. And the insurance coverage firm that I personally use has a assured 0%. So what this implies is that as we’re placing cash in for my spouse, and myself, and my youngsters, and it’s rising over time, if we have to faucet into it for college or we wanna faucet into it for, you already know, some household occasion, or simply to make use of for our retirement sooner or later down sooner or later that’s tax-free revenue, anytime that we wanna take cash out of that account, if we’ve a 0% mortgage provision, what which means is that we’re not gonna pay any cash in taxes and we’re not gonna pay any charges. The insurance coverage firm is mainly simply loaning our a refund to us at a assured 0%. And that makes an enormous deal.

One different factor too, Katie, that your listeners may be all in favour of with the life insurance coverage if it’s correctly structured, you don’t must disclose money worth life insurance coverage on FAFSA kinds. So anytime that your youngsters going by college they usually’re filling out a FAFSA kind to have the ability to get a grant, that doesn’t, by legislation, must be disclosed. And the unlucky factor is that we don’t need our children who’re working laborious in class to not be eligible to get these grants simply because mother and pop make, you already know, first rate cash of their life. Children needs to be rewarded based mostly on the efforts that they’re placing in. So, I might go down rabbit gap after rabbit gap on this, however simply to maintain it at a high-level overview, I really like doing the overfunded life insurance coverage insurance policies once they’re correctly structured as a result of I feel it’s, you already know, mixed with a Roth IRA, probably the greatest issues that you are able to do. And once more, that’s getting cash into tax-free accounts.

Katie: That is sensible. Yeah, it looks like with something, once more, the corollary with well being is the sooner you begin, the higher, definitely on these items. And such as you talked about about doing this to your youngsters, even once they’re younger, and it being a lot inexpensive when they’re younger, after which it could actually construct for his or her entire life. So it’s such a bonus for them. And I feel that brings a extremely vital level as properly that’s actually gonna resonate with lots of people listening. And that’s, like, in relation to all of this, for many people studying this as adults and being cognizant of wanting to have the ability to go on not simply, like, funds, when it comes to cash and future to our children, however the abilities and techniques to have long-term monetary wellness themselves once they go away residence.

And I do know it is a actually vital space for you as properly and that you just and your spouse are very intentional in the way you educate your youngsters about this and the conversations you’ve got surrounding cash. I feel that is additionally in all probability a tricky level to speak about for lots of households or perhaps mother and father don’t actually know , type of, begin these conversations, or begin instructing these abilities to our children. And I do know it’s actually vital to you. So, what are a few of the ideas you’d give to oldsters as they’re studying this themselves to assist their youngsters study and have that sturdy, stable monetary basis as properly?

Michael: Sounds good. So, go and get your child an ice cream cone after which take a giant chunk out of it earlier than you hand it to them and say that’s taxes, and watch the response on their face. I’m simply kidding. Don’t try this. However the entire thing about being a mother or father, you already know, and lately, it’s so laborious to speak to our children about sure issues, cash being one in every of them. However you already know what? At school, they don’t discuss to folks about this. I sit on the board of administrators for Junior Achievement of Utah. That’s the place we’re situated. And Junior Achievement is superior as a result of it mainly goes into these colleges and it teaches youngsters nearly cash and teaches them about, you already know, they will work laborious and grow to be something they need in life. Children don’t have alternative in class on a regular basis, like what Junior Achievement is making an attempt to deliver consciousness to. So it’s our job is the mother and father to show.

Now, right here’s the deal. I don’t must be a world-class, you already know, bike owner to have the ability to soar on a motorcycle and attempt to educate my youngsters. So, if funds appear formidable to you, then study just a little bit your self after which educate your youngsters. And youngsters are fairly…you already know, they soak up this, type of, stuff. And I feel they’re gonna watch, you already know, in the event you say, “Hey, the explanation why we’re placing cash into this household trip jar is as a result of we wanna get monetary savings or, you already know, in case you have a job the place you’re mowing lawns otherwise you’re shoveling snow, encourage them, say, “Look, if we really take just a little little bit of this cash and put it apart and put it into an account the place it’s gonna develop or simply the truth that you’re saving, it’s going to be so a lot better for you.”

So, I assume my recommendation can be, you already know, you don’t must be a professional to show somebody and even simply have that dialog. Make it a household occasion the place you’re studying about this, type of, stuff collectively. Possibly simply, you already know, honesty isn’t all the time one of the best coverage. So in the event you’re that particular person the place you don’t know a lot about funds, have a household assembly and say, “Hey, guys, you already know what? I wanna do a brand new factor in the home. I wanna find out about this collectively. And let’s do some little bit of studying.” And clearly, for the youngsters, maintain it at an easier-to-understand stage. However make it a enjoyable factor and present them nearly how as they’re saving and saving or, you already know, doing chores and placing that cash in, it’s gonna develop over time.

Katie: Yeah, precisely. And that’s…I do know you and I’ve talked about this just a little bit offline as properly. However you’re proper, college is just not instructing a whole lot of these foundational abilities. And a whole lot of listeners have heard me say on right here, you already know, colleges not essentially instructing a whole lot of foundational life abilities. These are issues that we as mother and father nonetheless must be very conscious and cognizant of. And people conversations can occur…Children can perceive a lot from such a younger age. And simply in our household with our bent in the direction of entrepreneurship, we type of work every thing by that type of a mindset. However I feel no matter your investing technique is, no matter these items that you just’re gonna do, it’s an ideal alternative to show your youngsters as you go. Such as you stated, you don’t must be excellent at it to have the ability to begin instructing them, however even simply to offer them that mindset early on in life about consciousness about saving and investing, and never simply spending cash and utilizing their cash to create extra wealth long-term, having that at a younger age is such a bonus.

Michael: And I feel that, you already know, lots of people will say, “Effectively, I don’t, you already know, need my child to concentrate on cash.” And I’d agree with that. However once more, I made a remark, you already know, in the direction of the start of our present right here is that cash is a software, and you’ll actually do good issues and assist folks with it. And in the event you educate your youngsters that, you say, “Look, I’m not making an attempt to earn cash as a result of I wanna be the wealthiest particular person on the earth. I need to use cash to have the ability to bless the lives of different folks.” And I had talked about about doing, like, charitable issues. The happiest folks in life are the folks which can be capable of give away and provides their time or, you already know, monetary assets to lifting different folks. There’s an outdated saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” And I completely consider that.

So, as we’re speaking to our children, and even for us, proper, as we’re on this quest to earn more cash in life, ask your self, “Why will we need to earn more cash?” There all the time needs to be a why. And the why needs to be, “Hey, I wanna have monetary peace and safety. I don’t wanna be wired in my life. I don’t wanna fear about , you already know, make ends meet as a result of I went out and purchased a ship or a aspect by aspect and it was a frivolous buy that I can’t afford.” Study your self the why and likewise educate your youngsters the why. And, you already know, going again to that factor, in the event you’re not a pleasant particular person, cash is a magnifier. It’s gonna amplify you to an excellent not nicer particular person. And that’s simply gonna trigger emotional turmoil and stress in your life. However in the event you can view cash as a software and also you view it as I may also help folks, I can bless the lives of different folks, I really feel like accumulating wealth will likely be a lot extra aligned from a bodily, and emotional, non secular standpoint than simply attempt to grow to be the wealthiest particular person there may be.

Katie: I fully agree and echo that. After which not solely are we not requiring assets from society to handle ourselves but in addition, like, you stated, we’ve the power to assist others, which is definitely, a extremely enjoyable motivator for me, as properly. And I feel you’ve made such level is that the sooner you put together for this, the extra compounding it occurs and also you get to do extra of that all through your entire life. And I’m additionally curious as a result of I’ve been working with you on this. So full disclosure, you might be serving to advise me on a whole lot of these areas, as I study. And for anyone listening, who perhaps these are new subjects to you, they usually wanna actually begin getting concerned, what does an optimum situation appear to be? If somebody does have some revenue to place into a few of these totally different automobiles, I’m curious, like, what would you say is simply…? I’m positive there’s, after all, variation from household to household, however what can be some good overarching locations to begin? And in addition, in the event you’re prepared to share, what do you do personally?

Michael: Oh, yeah, I’m all the time prepared to share. Transparency, I feel, is absolutely key with all of the shoppers that we work with. So, once more, simply, you already know, as a enterprise proprietor, like your self, a whole lot of my enterprise, I put…excuse me, my progress that occurs financially in my life, I reinvest again into our firm. You understand, right here’s just a little…Okay. And all of your listeners, Katie, they’ve to vow, I’m gonna share a secret proper now, they will’t exit and ever repeat that I stated this. However right here it goes. I can’t management the inventory market and neither can some other advisor that I do know. I really feel so a lot better by saying that. And no, I’m simply joking. However the motive why I’m saying that’s as a result of, in all actuality, we are able to’t management the market. So, my recommendation for the listeners is, hey, as you’re rising and placing your cash someplace, contemplate taking a hybrid strategy, placing a few of your cash into protected automobiles the place it’s going to continue to grow and even when issues just like the inventory market goes down, you received’t lose cash. After which for a portion of your cash, it’s okay to have just a little little bit of an up and down and have just a little little bit of a curler coaster.

However the place lots of people get freaked out in regards to the inventory market is that they go, “All proper, properly, I don’t wanna put my cash in right here to observe one thing like 2008 occur once more the place I lose, you already know, 40% of my retirement, like, at a extremely quick timeframe.” Really, in the event you return to this previous March, the inventory market had one of many quickest drops in U.S. inventory historical past. It was down virtually 30%, like, actually inside a matter of weeks. And that was loopy as a result of in the event you return to the early 1900s, it had not fallen that quick. When issues like that occur and when there’s a lot volatility, it scares folks. And, you already know, this is among the triggers why folks don’t get into saving for retirement or investing as a result of they get paralysis evaluation. And that’s, “Hey, if I put my cash into one thing, what if I lose?” Effectively, take a balanced strategy. Similar to something that you just do in life, you wanna be balanced. Put some cash in a protected account. Put some cash in an account that’s gonna go up and down.

And, you already know, for me, a whole lot of our retirement nest egg is in that tax-free automobile that I used to be speaking to you about, the Roth IRA. We have now a Roth 401(okay) at my work that I contribute to as properly. And I additionally put a whole lot of my very own private cash into the overfunded common life insurance policies. But additionally, after I put cash into my enterprise, that’s me investing in myself. And sooner or later, you already know, down the street, my enterprise will likely be price one thing that I can promote. In order that’s the best way I take a look at my, you already know, portion of my retirement nest egg. However, you already know, I lose cash in my enterprise, and I name it R&D {dollars}. And what I imply by that’s not as a result of we made poor enterprise choices, however R&D {dollars} for me is, “Hey, let’s strive promoting right here,” or, “Hey, let’s strive, you already know, this monetary piece of software program.” And generally you discover out, oh, shoot, that software program wasn’t nearly as good as what we thought or, hey, you already know, we had been promoting right here, and it wasn’t actually a great spot. I imply, we go right into a calculated and we do one of the best we are able to, however the entire level is, is you possibly can’t management every thing.

So, what I’m making an attempt to say for the listeners is have the power to place some cash into one thing that received’t go down after which put some cash into issues that may go up and down, and be okay with the down, and simply know that that’s a part of life. And that in the event you’re doing issues constantly, you’re gonna work out what works. Now, one different factor too, Katie, that goes with out saying but it surely’s actually vital is just not all advisors are created equal. And that could be a actually, actually vital level. And what I imply by that’s that your advisor needs to be a fiduciary and that could be a license. An individual can’t simply say, “I’m gonna be a fiduciary.” And what a fiduciary is, is somebody that morally, legally, and ethically has your finest pursuits at coronary heart. Our agency is a registered funding advisory agency and we’re fiduciaries. And what which means is that after we give recommendation to our shoppers, it’s in our shopper’s finest curiosity, not as a result of I wanna exit and make a purchase order, so I like to recommend one thing to a shopper so I receives a commission a big fee. We don’t try this.

And when your advisor is a fiduciary, then in the event that they’re not supplying you with good recommendation, then there’s some severe repercussions that may include that. There might be fines, there might be lack of license, or there might be jail time. And the unhappy factor is that everybody that’s on this trade that’s coping with somebody’s life financial savings needs to be a fiduciary. And there’s no legislation at the moment that claims that. So, do some little bit of homework. And in the event you’re, you already know, working with an advisor, ask them, “Are you a fiduciary?” And in the event that they’re not, I’d strongly encourage you to work with somebody that’s a fiduciary. So, hopefully, that helps out. I take a balanced strategy to my life and I understand it’s okay to have some issues go up and down, to put money into myself, put money into our firm, to strive some new issues. However, you already know, the flip aspect of the coin is, “Hey, I don’t wanna put every thing in danger.” After we had been all little youngsters, our mama taught us don’t put all of your eggs in a single basket. You wanna diversify. And that’s precisely what you need to do.

Katie: Yeah, that’s nice recommendation. And I do know you’ve got some assets in your web site for folks to begin studying extra about these. And I’ll put these hyperlinks within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening.

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You talked about Tony Robbin’s e book “MONEY Grasp the Sport,” which I agree is phenomenal. Are there some other assets you’d advocate to folks to continue learning about this?

Michael: You understand, that’s a tough factor as a result of the web is filled with opinions. I feel it’s simply discovering somebody that you just belief and that may perceive your scenario and be capable to give good recommendation. And that’s the entire thing about my job is that, you already know, we deliver folks on, like I stated, which can be nearing retirement or at the moment in retirement. However there are people who we work with that say, “Mike, I’ve no clue the place to start.” And what we actually, type of, geek out on and take satisfaction on is saying, “All proper, let’s create this plan for you and present you the way in the event you’re doing XYZ the way it could make a giant distinction.” As a result of for lots of people, even these which can be nearing or proper about to cross the end line for retirement, lots of people don’t understand, “Hey, I’ve received the monetary sport.”

And it’s, type of, like going round a operating observe the place you’re operating and operating and operating, and also you’re like, “The place’s the end line?” And when you’ve got a plan and somebody, type of, takes every thing that you just’ve performed, and brings all of it collectively, and also you’re saying, “Hey you already know what? You may really retire.” Boy, the peace of thoughts that individuals have, you already know, we get people who cry in our workplace as a result of they really feel so good or they’ll name in or write again and say, “I had one of the best sleep of my life.” And what I’m telling any listeners is that, you already know, that may be a great distance out for you. That needs to be your aim. That needs to be one thing that you just work in the direction of.

So, I actually like “MONEY Grasp the Sport” from a monetary standpoint. However I need to share with the listeners a e book that’s actually impacted my life for a extremely optimistic means. And that’s a e book by an writer named Clayton Christensen. And the e book is named “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And the explanation why I really like this e book is as a result of, first off, Clayton Christensen, he was a Harvard professor. And what he did, right here’s type of, like, the backdrop, he would problem his graduating college students with three easy questions to look at, measure, and enhance all facets of their life.

Query primary that he would ask them is, you already know, for them to ask themselves, “How can I make certain that I’ll achieve success and blissful in my profession or life?” Quantity two, “How can I make certain that my relationships with my partner, my youngsters, and my prolonged household, shut buddies, and so on. can grow to be a permanent supply of happiness of their life?” And the third factor, he says, “How can I make certain that I reside a lifetime of integrity and keep out of jail?” Now, which may shock somebody after I say keep out of jail. He’s not referring to, like, you make a selection, you’re going to jail. However what he’s referring to is, hey, we’ve these, you already know, jails, emotionally, bodily, and mentally. You understand, in the event you don’t train and eat poor meals, you’re mainly placing your physique in jail or in the event you’re getting over into debt that’s pointless, you’re placing your self into this emotional jail. So he’s saying how do you keep out of jail from a complete standpoint? And on a aspect observe, I feel there’s a man whose identify was Jeff Skilling, he was with Enron, and I feel all you guys know that identify. He was additionally in Clayton Christensen’s class at Harvard.

So, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” This e book has actually impacted me for a number of causes. One, clearly, discovering happiness in your life is one thing that everybody is wanting ahead to. You understand, he talks about it in his e book. And that’s, type of, the place I’ve been expounding on that concept is that cash is just not the basis explanation for unhappiness, but it surely turns into an issue when it supersedes every thing else. So, with that being stated, one of many issues that’s probably the most impacting second of my lifetime of studying this e book is when he talks about household. And, you already know, Katie, this goes into what we had been speaking a few second in the past, nearly instructing our children. Clayton Christensen, he actually emphasizes that our position as mother and father is to organize our kids for the longer term. And actually, that the tragedy of right now’s tradition is that we’re outsourcing parenting to different folks, like family, or nannies, and even the colleges or extracurricular actions.

And we’ve actually overpassed the significance of our time, which is absolutely the best present that we may give one other particular person. Investing our time in one other actually is an indication of respect and love. And it supplies this clear sign to others to what’s most vital in your life. And, you already know, once more, simply going again to that entire factor about staying out of jail is we wanna be capable to steadiness our life. And we wanna be capable to select the fitting choices as a result of it has a compounding impact similar to cash does, proper. After we do one thing simply this one time as a result of the marginal price seems to be negligible, we get suckered in, after which we get so far in our life, and we’re like, “Gosh, how did I get to date into debt?” Or, “Oh, my gosh, how come I’m so out of practice?” Or, “Geez, you already know, there’s all these facets, proper, to creating good selections.” So, that could be a e book that I’d extremely encourage to any listener that desires to enhance relationships or enhance themselves from a holistic standpoint. “How Will You Measure Your Life?” by Clayton Christensen.

Katie: That’s a brand new one. I really like the advice. I’ll add that to the present notes as properly so that you guys can discover it. And I feel that recommendation is so vital too, and ties into the retirement dialog as a result of I hear so typically folks assume that like, “Oh, I’m gonna do these items after I retire.” And so they’re spending all of their time doing different issues now. And I feel this final yr particularly has given some folks much more time freedom, or at the least location freedom in relation to work as a result of issues have shifted a lot. However both means, I feel recognizing early on, I say this, on the finish of each podcast, really, that point is our most respected asset. And recognizing that early and treating it as such, we don’t have to attend for retirement to reside facets of the life we wanna reside.

And in reality, I feel we’re happier, and more healthy, and contribute higher to different folks into society after we’re capable of work these issues in no matter means we are able to now. It’s one thing I’ve encouraging my youngsters by entrepreneurship as properly is like, definitely, there are occasions after we’re gonna simply immediately commerce our time for cash however that point can be a side of freedom. So to no matter diploma which you can actually defend your time and who you spend it with, that’s actually a really priceless asset. And cash will be made extra however time can’t.

Michael: That’s proper. And once more, I really feel like a very powerful issues in our life are the issues that, you already know, can’t be measured, like the scale of a checking account. It’s the power to like, to snicker, to cry, to forgive, to have household relationships, and simply to actually embrace the great that you’ve in your life. As a result of, you already know, Katie, the world is a fairly risky place proper now, from a political standpoint or simply what’s occurring with even the inventory market. There’s a whole lot of uncertainty and it could actually create nervousness, however there’s a whole lot of good. And I actually really feel like if we concentrate on the great and we take time to have gratitude and mirror on the issues that’s vital to us in our life, we’ll discover happiness.

Now, I’m gonna share with you one final thing that my dad shared with me that stood out to me. As my dad all the time stated, “Mike, you’re by no means gonna wanna look again in your life and say, ‘Gosh, I ought to have spent extra time on the workplace, or, ‘Geez, I want I’d have made more cash.’” On the finish of the day when all of us are out of time, we’re gonna look again on our life and we’re gonna say, “Was I capable of steadiness it? Was I capable of make the world a greater place? Was I capable of take this future era of children and prepare them to be blissful and profitable and to be, you already know, leaders and doers of fine?” And that’s actually what it’s, is start with the top in thoughts and simply work backwards from there. And that applies to your monetary wellness and it applies to your bodily wellness. You gotta begin on the finish and work backwards.

Katie: Completely. And yeah, concerning that concept of, type of, that long-term pondering and likewise inversion and determining clear up issues as a long-term equation. Excellent recommendation, and particularly in relation to funds as a result of such as you talked about, it’s laborious to have these issues develop rapidly in a single day. However over time, it may be actually astounding what can occur. In a way, the youthful we begin engaged on these items and educate our children about these items, the extra time freedom and the extra all of these items compound later in life. I do know…I discussed I’ll put your web site within the present notes for folks to search out you in the event that they wanna get in contact. However are you able to additionally simply tell us anyplace they will discover you on-line or the easiest way to attach?

Michael: Yeah, sounds good. So our firm is Capital Wealth Advisors in Lehi, Utah. There’s for some motive a few different Capital Wealth Advisors, however that’s not us. So one of the best factor you would do is in the event you wanna get in contact and in the event you acquired some questions, I’m very happy to level you in the fitting route and assist out, so our web site is capitalwealth.com, capitalwealth.com or you possibly can attain out to me on LinkedIn, Michael Stevens, Capital Wealth Advisors. And if anybody would really like, you’re welcome to only give our workplace a name, 801-210-2800. And I recognize you placing all that within the notes. We have now the nicest employees on the earth. So, if it is a daunting factor for you, in the event you’re new, simply getting began and also you want some good recommendation, you’re gonna be greeted by the warmest, nicest folks on the earth as a result of our employees solely works with good folks as a result of they’re good folks. Give us a name. We may give you some route. Even when we don’t work collectively, we’re all the time blissful to pay it ahead and begin folks out on the fitting foot.

Katie: Superb. I’ll once more put these within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, you will discover the entire issues we’ve talked about there. And I’ll hyperlink to these books you’ve talked about as properly. I’m excited to take a look at the “How Will You Measure Your Life?” one. I simply put it in my Amazon cart. And Michael I recognize on a private stage you serving to me study all of these things, and particularly your time right here right now and sharing with everybody else. I’m very grateful that you just had been right here, and thanks.

Michael: Hey, it was enjoyable. And I really like instructing folks and, Katie, you and your loved ones are superior. Thanks a lot for having me on.

Katie: And as I say, and it was reiterated on this episode, I stated this each time, thanks for listening, for sharing your most respected asset, your time, your vitality with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you just had been right here, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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